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Author Topic: Proposed badger cull in Wales  (Read 2423 times)
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« on: July 10, 2008, 12:53 PM »

Although a badger cull in England has now been ruled out, the current policy of the devolved government in Wales is to work towards a 'pilot cull' of badgers there.

The case against a cull in Wales was well summed up by the National Trust (which has said it will not allow the cull to take place on any of its land) in this article:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/farming-north-wales/farming-news/2008/06/10/why-welsh-badger-culls-are-wrong-55578-21050465/

In addition to the points raised by the National Trust, I would add concerns regarding the methods which would be used to kill the badgers (the Protection of Badgers Act 1992 does not permit the cruel ill-treatment of badgers even under licence, which must surely rule out the use of gas or snares), who exactly would carry out the culling (and who would monitor them to ensure proper welfare standards), and how the effectiveness of the 'pilot' would be measured (is there to be a 'control' area where no badgers will be killed, as in the English culling trials?). Not to mention the cost of the whole operation and how this would compare with the perceived benefits.

The risks (to both cattle and badgers) involved in this venture must surely far outweigh any possible benefits and I urge all Message Board readers and members to join the campaign against a Welsh badger cull.

One way in which you can do this is to write to Elin Jones AM, the Minister for Rural Affairs, politely expressing your opposition. Snail-mail and e-mail addresses are as follows:

Elin Jones AM
National Assembly for Wales
Cardiff Bay
Cardiff
CF99 1NA

elin.jones@wales.gov.uk

You could also take part in the next demonstration against the proposed cull. Organised by North Wales Animal Rights, this is to take place in Colwyn Bay on Saturday 26th July at 2pm outside the main Welsh Assembly Office at Princes Park, Princes Drive, Colwyn Bay, North Wales, LL29 8PL. There will also be gathering on the promenade at around 3pm for a prayer delivered up by the Rev James Thompson.
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2008, 11:39 AM »

Pity the demo on Saturday is not in Swansea, it is closer and I could have gone.
I hope it turns out to be a big one.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 04:21 PM »

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/wdp/news/Pressure-growing-badger-cull-Wales-cancelled/article-227305-detail/article.html
I read this over the weekend. Alun Michael's Early Day Motion, signed by MPs some Welsh. I haven't found anything further about it yet. Elin Jones is being much feted in Wales for her "courage", and she has many supporters from her traditonal Welsh speaking farming background, all makes it harder in Wales to get the Assembly to see any sense as they think they are so right and it's only incomers and townies who are complaining.  Angry
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 04:42 PM »

http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=36437&SESSION=891

To see which MPs have signed.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 06:25 PM »

From the BBC News website:

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MPs urge rethink on Welsh TB cull

Nine MPs, eight of them Welsh Labour, want the Welsh Assembly Government to halt plans to cull badgers.

The MPs have tabled a Commons motion congratulating English Farming Minister Hilary Benn for refusing requests to cull badgers to tackle TB in cattle.

Their motion hopes Welsh Rural Affairs Minister Elin Jones will "return to an evidence-based approach."


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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 07:19 PM »

Elin Jones is being much feted in Wales for her "courage", and she has many supporters from her traditonal Welsh speaking farming background, all makes it harder in Wales to get the Assembly to see any sense as they think they are so right and it's only incomers and townies who are complaining.  Angry

Yes, Elin Jones is very popular with the cattle farming community right now (see for example Elin Jones applauded over bovine TB stance in Farmers Weekly).

But she and the other pro-cull AMs would do well not to disregard the incomers and townies. They are, after all, voters. They are also tax payers. I wonder how many of them realise that the Welsh Assembly is now pursuing a course of action which which cost them dearly, yet provide little obvious benefit.

Although there is as yet no formal badger culling plan against which a judicial review can be mounted, Elin Jones has made it clear that a cull will take place. WalesOnline on July 15th stated (see Wales will kill badgers – row):

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THE Defra Secretary of State’s decision to rule out a badger cull in England will not affect proposals to go ahead with one in Wales.

Rural Affairs Minister Elin Jones said nothing had changed and plans for a cull in a pilot area as part of a package of measures to eradicate bTB were proceeding as announced last April.

“It has not affected my thinking at all. Various expert groups set up to advise are gathering information as we speak on the various factors we need to take account of,” said Ms Jones. “Then at some point later in the year I will be given advice from my officials as to what, when and where.”

Notice the absence of "at what cost" from that last sentence. It seems that tax payers will be funding this monstrous and pointless slaughter regardless of the expense.

The cull will need to take place over a large area, it will need to be thorough, it will need to be humane in order to be licensed (which rules out the use of snares and gas) - and it will need to go on for years. This won't be cheap.

What will Welsh tax payers get in return? According to Badger Trust Cymru (using information obtained under the Freedom of Information Act), during a scientific briefing given to Elin Jones on 20 February 2008 (see Badgers face extermination in Wales until 2030s, warns Badger Trust Cymru):

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Professor John Bourne, chairman of the Independent Scientific Group, told Elin Jones that culling the population of between 2,400 and 2,700 badgers across areas of 300 square kilometres [116 square miles] is only likely to prevent 19 out of an expected 270 TB herd incidents over five years and "cannot be cost effective".

According to The Welsh Assembly Government website (see Corporate Governance in the Welsh Assembly Government):

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In Government high standards of corporate governance are especially important as the money being spent comes from the taxpayer.

The WAG website also states that regularity, propriety and value for money are important aspects of Corporate Governance, and has this to say about the third aspect:

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Value for money is self-explanatory. It's about obtaining the best value possible for the use of public money in the conduct of Assembly business ...

I wonder what assessment the National Assembly Audit Committee and the Wales Audit Office will make of the Assembly's decision to squander so much money on a badger cull?
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2008, 12:17 AM »

Hi all,

This all seems to be the age old "if we don't really understand it, lets kill it" routine. I agree with Steve, at what point do they consider this a success? I mean, how can they be sure to cull ALL badgers in an area before moving on? How exactly are they going to perform this act without being barbaric?
I get a feeling they are gonna make a real mess of this and at huge expense. Lets keep our fingers on the pulse but who bets it'll all go 'quiet' when its all gone wrong.

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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 04:41 PM »

From the BBC News website:

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More opposition to badger culling

Six Assembly Members have joined calls for plans for a badger cull in Wales to be abandoned.

The group, who include four Labour AMs, echoed a Commons motion signed by nine MPs praising Westminster Rural Affairs Minister Hilary Benn.

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The Welsh assembly statement of opinion was proposed by Lorraine Barrett, Labour AM for Cardiff South and Penarth.

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The statement said that "evidence shows a cull would not help eradicate bovine TB but could make matters worse" and urged Welsh Rural Affairs Minister Elin Jones to consider the evidence on which Mr Benn made his decision.

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And from the Evening Leader in Wales:

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Wrexham campaigners join badger cull rally

WREXHAM campaigners are set to join a North Wales rally this weekend over a decision to hold a badger cull.

Animal rights campaigners will join together on Saturday, July 26 outside the Welsh Assembly offices in Colwyn Bay to put pressure on a decision taken to hold a badger cull in an attempt to control bovine TB.

Protesters are hoping the rally will build on the success of the "National Badger Rally" outside the Welsh Assembly in Cardiff last month.

Wrexham Veggies campaigner Simon Colley said the decision could have "long term damage" on the reputation of Wales, and urged ministers in Wales to follow the lead of UK environment secretary Hilary Benn, who has blocked moves for a cull in England.

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And from Western Mail, in article entitled Animal diseases cloud Royal Welsh Show sunshine:

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The Welsh Assembly Government’s decision for a trial cull of badgers has provoked the Badger Trust into seeking a judicial review. It has also prompted a series of security measures against the possibility of an attack on the Minister – yesterday two security men accompanied Elin Jones around the showground.

The judicial review story is old news (in fact no judicial review is taking place yet as no formal decision on an actual cull has so far been made). As for the possibility of an attack on Elin Jones, I do hope that is nonsense and that everyone who wants Jones' culling plans overturned will stick to peaceful methods of campaigning and protesting.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 12:37 PM »

For a news report on the Colwyn Bay rally, see: ‘Stop badger cull’ protest draws 100 from the Daily Post.

Well done to everyone who attended, and commiserations to those who tried to get there but were held up in the holiday traffic!
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2008, 08:12 PM »

Here are a couple of photos of the Colwyn Bay rally. Thanks Betty!



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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 12:51 PM »

If anyone would like to sign petitions against the Badger cull in Wales then you can do so on the RSPCA website or on the Care 2 website where I have a petition going. Thanks. Pearl Millard.
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2008, 05:31 PM »

Clive Betts (not the MP) writes a blog about welsh politics some of which goes into a magazine. He is a supporter of Elin Jones's position re badger culling. And his remarks tend towards  welsh nationalism which is one way of playing up to the farmers. Angry
His latest is here:
http://cambriapolitico.com/2008/07/30/stand-by-for-a-badger-war-with-england/#more-150
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2008, 06:53 PM »

Hi, thanks for sending this link to me. I will read it fully in a while. Pearl.
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